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		<title>By: ADS</title>
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		<dc:creator>ADS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crux of the matter is that science admits its mistakes and change accordingly, whereas religion has no scope for correction and hence automatically becomes obsolete.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crux of the matter is that science admits its mistakes and change accordingly, whereas religion has no scope for correction and hence automatically becomes obsolete.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: mo mosh</title>
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		<dc:creator>mo mosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Listen to Genesis and the Big Bang:
http://www.simpletoremember.com/audio/index.htm&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listen to Genesis and the Big Bang:<br />
<a href="http://www.simpletoremember.com/audio/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.simpletoremember.com/audio/index.htm</a><br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: going2rock</title>
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		<dc:creator>going2rock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God new all about science before he made and then we found it.GOD IS SO COOL!!!!!!!!!!!!&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God new all about science before he made and then we found it.GOD IS SO COOL!!!!!!!!!!!!<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Diogenes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diogenes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Do [ I ] think that the Bible contradicts science, or that science has made the Bible obsolete?&quot;  

Before Galileo (about 1590), virtually all of Western Civilization readily accepted Aristotle&#039;s Solipsism -- an unsubstantiated philosophical opinion which maintains that the basis of reality is each person&#039;s subjective mental experiences.  Solipsists also view the physical realm as the imaginary fabrication of the human mind.  Solipsism caused the Dark Ages, because people believed their subjective dreams and hallucinations were actually real.  Superstition ruled Western Civilization and very little technological progress was made because everyone believed the church was correct when they taught that the physical realm was imaginary.

About 1590 Galileo discovered that the basis of reality was not the human mind.  Aristotle&#039;s &quot;wisdom&quot; was obviously in error because simple physical experiments seemed to indicate that the physical realm was actually real.  By the late seventeenth century, Isaac Newton&#039;s mechanics had essentially used mathematics to prove beyond any possible doubt that the physical realm was objectively real.  Educated men quickly realized this implied that human subjective mental experiences were themselves imaginary.  By the early twentieth century the invention of the electroencephelograph (EEG) proved beyond doubt that all of a person&#039;s thoughts, memories, perceptions, and emotions originate within the neurological structures of their living human brain.  It is undeniable that subjective mental experiences are imaginary.  

Christians typically imagine that there is some &quot;controversy&quot; about whether the Solipsistic or the Scientific version of reality are correct.  This is not true.  Solipsism is well and truly dead -- proved utterly false by incontrovertable mathematics and rock solid science.  The physical realm is objectively real and only an ignorant fool would argue otherwise.  In our times, the term &quot;spirituality&quot; is applied to all things of a Solipsistic nature and there is absolutely no evidence which suggests any of it is valid -- except within the subjective opinions of those who believe in such unfounded superstition.  This explains precisely why religious belief requires &quot;faith.&quot;  One must accept that which is undeniably false, as if it were absolutely true.

It would be fair to conclude that science has proved the Bible obsolete because, of the two, only science relates to that which is objectively real.  The Bible contains only meaningless superstition because the forty men who wrote it were all confirmed Solipsists, who imagined their own thoughts were absolutely real and that everything physical was imaginary.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Do [ I ] think that the Bible contradicts science, or that science has made the Bible obsolete?&quot;  </p>
<p>Before Galileo (about 1590), virtually all of Western Civilization readily accepted Aristotle&#8217;s Solipsism &#8212; an unsubstantiated philosophical opinion which maintains that the basis of reality is each person&#8217;s subjective mental experiences.  Solipsists also view the physical realm as the imaginary fabrication of the human mind.  Solipsism caused the Dark Ages, because people believed their subjective dreams and hallucinations were actually real.  Superstition ruled Western Civilization and very little technological progress was made because everyone believed the church was correct when they taught that the physical realm was imaginary.</p>
<p>About 1590 Galileo discovered that the basis of reality was not the human mind.  Aristotle&#8217;s &quot;wisdom&quot; was obviously in error because simple physical experiments seemed to indicate that the physical realm was actually real.  By the late seventeenth century, Isaac Newton&#8217;s mechanics had essentially used mathematics to prove beyond any possible doubt that the physical realm was objectively real.  Educated men quickly realized this implied that human subjective mental experiences were themselves imaginary.  By the early twentieth century the invention of the electroencephelograph (EEG) proved beyond doubt that all of a person&#8217;s thoughts, memories, perceptions, and emotions originate within the neurological structures of their living human brain.  It is undeniable that subjective mental experiences are imaginary.  </p>
<p>Christians typically imagine that there is some &quot;controversy&quot; about whether the Solipsistic or the Scientific version of reality are correct.  This is not true.  Solipsism is well and truly dead &#8212; proved utterly false by incontrovertable mathematics and rock solid science.  The physical realm is objectively real and only an ignorant fool would argue otherwise.  In our times, the term &quot;spirituality&quot; is applied to all things of a Solipsistic nature and there is absolutely no evidence which suggests any of it is valid &#8212; except within the subjective opinions of those who believe in such unfounded superstition.  This explains precisely why religious belief requires &quot;faith.&quot;  One must accept that which is undeniably false, as if it were absolutely true.</p>
<p>It would be fair to conclude that science has proved the Bible obsolete because, of the two, only science relates to that which is objectively real.  The Bible contains only meaningless superstition because the forty men who wrote it were all confirmed Solipsists, who imagined their own thoughts were absolutely real and that everything physical was imaginary.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Geri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Bible is full of revelations about the earth, God, the universe, and the way things are, based on the observations of men and the inspiration of God.  

Science is a way of determining predictable events based on observation and the testing of hypothesis, in conjunction with controlling factors which may have an altering effect on the variable of interest to the scientist.  Science can be used as a tool to verify the revelations of the scriptures, or put them to rest as mythology, but it is not fool-proof.   Human error in experimental design occurs often.  

Science can make the revelations of the scripture obsolete, but as you mentioned in the numerous examples, it has confirmed more &quot;truths&quot; than contradicted them.  It should not be viewed as a rival of biblical teachings, but as a means to support faith.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bible is full of revelations about the earth, God, the universe, and the way things are, based on the observations of men and the inspiration of God.  </p>
<p>Science is a way of determining predictable events based on observation and the testing of hypothesis, in conjunction with controlling factors which may have an altering effect on the variable of interest to the scientist.  Science can be used as a tool to verify the revelations of the scriptures, or put them to rest as mythology, but it is not fool-proof.   Human error in experimental design occurs often.  </p>
<p>Science can make the revelations of the scripture obsolete, but as you mentioned in the numerous examples, it has confirmed more &quot;truths&quot; than contradicted them.  It should not be viewed as a rival of biblical teachings, but as a means to support faith.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Sapient</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sapient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if you actually checked these passages in the bible and read more than just the one liners you list here. I&#039;d have to check myself to actually believe any of it personally, but that said, I have read the bible many times. And while I don&#039;t remember every word, I don&#039;t recall these passages.

There are so many mistakes and contradictions proved to be false in the bible, so if these are the only passages that people can contrive some sort of real life truth from, I&#039;d have to say that&#039;s pretty sad (For a book that is supposed to contain so much truth....)

Also it&#039;s a bit odd to me that you are surprised by things like them knowing when to circumcise. Do you think they just randomly cut on babies back then, like mindless Neanderthals? There were doctors, things were tested even back then. Humans studied and watched the stars long before the Bible existed. It would stand to reason that someone would assume that the earth was &quot;floating&quot; in space.  Come on now, use some logic.

I see you were inspired by someone else&#039;s words, enough to copy them here, but I wonder if you took the time to verify any one of them or think about just how valid the claims are....&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if you actually checked these passages in the bible and read more than just the one liners you list here. I&#8217;d have to check myself to actually believe any of it personally, but that said, I have read the bible many times. And while I don&#8217;t remember every word, I don&#8217;t recall these passages.</p>
<p>There are so many mistakes and contradictions proved to be false in the bible, so if these are the only passages that people can contrive some sort of real life truth from, I&#8217;d have to say that&#8217;s pretty sad (For a book that is supposed to contain so much truth&#8230;.)</p>
<p>Also it&#8217;s a bit odd to me that you are surprised by things like them knowing when to circumcise. Do you think they just randomly cut on babies back then, like mindless Neanderthals? There were doctors, things were tested even back then. Humans studied and watched the stars long before the Bible existed. It would stand to reason that someone would assume that the earth was &quot;floating&quot; in space.  Come on now, use some logic.</p>
<p>I see you were inspired by someone else&#8217;s words, enough to copy them here, but I wonder if you took the time to verify any one of them or think about just how valid the claims are&#8230;.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: eelai000</title>
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		<dc:creator>eelai000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>let&#039;s see. mann didn&#039;t come from dirt
woman didn&#039;t come from a rib
snakes don&#039;t talk
donkeys don&#039;t talk
the sun cannot move backwards
man cannot walk on water
death is not reversible
bread and fish cannot be made from nothing
water is not anything but water
mountains cannot be destroyed by faith(i tried it)


the list goes on and on..

and all your ideas that the bible supports science, well those were known by persian astrologers and mathematicians  long before the bible borrowed their ideas. 

the bible is obsolete.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>let&#8217;s see. mann didn&#8217;t come from dirt<br />
woman didn&#8217;t come from a rib<br />
snakes don&#8217;t talk<br />
donkeys don&#8217;t talk<br />
the sun cannot move backwards<br />
man cannot walk on water<br />
death is not reversible<br />
bread and fish cannot be made from nothing<br />
water is not anything but water<br />
mountains cannot be destroyed by faith(i tried it)</p>
<p>the list goes on and on..</p>
<p>and all your ideas that the bible supports science, well those were known by persian astrologers and mathematicians  long before the bible borrowed their ideas. </p>
<p>the bible is obsolete.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Socks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Socks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Science explains how stuff happens. Like, the creation of the universe. It hasn&#039;t contradicted any of the genesis creation story, if you take said story loosely. 

It&#039;s just much more rational to believe in science as cause/effect than just saying &quot;God did it&quot; in every day life. The explanation &quot;God did it&quot; has become obsolete because we understand things better, ie, Science.  

If you believe that the universe created itself in a big bang, instead of the giant guy in the sky creating it, it naturally follows that said giant guy in the sky isn&#039;t really doing anything or isn&#039;t there.

Also, your arguement is based more on bias and individual phrases of where the bible got lucky rather than any kinda coherent point. And if the ancient greeks figured this stuff out, what&#039;s to say it wasn&#039;t common knowledge in the roman empire, who were pretty smart guys? (I mean, they invented central heating. Cmon. That&#039;s good.) 

Your arguement also neglects to mention that the bible is also seriously WRONG on a lot of things. Jehovas witnesses, blood transfusions, stoning gays to death (When homosexuality isn&#039;t a choice), etc

Discuss&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Science explains how stuff happens. Like, the creation of the universe. It hasn&#8217;t contradicted any of the genesis creation story, if you take said story loosely. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s just much more rational to believe in science as cause/effect than just saying &quot;God did it&quot; in every day life. The explanation &quot;God did it&quot; has become obsolete because we understand things better, ie, Science.  </p>
<p>If you believe that the universe created itself in a big bang, instead of the giant guy in the sky creating it, it naturally follows that said giant guy in the sky isn&#8217;t really doing anything or isn&#8217;t there.</p>
<p>Also, your arguement is based more on bias and individual phrases of where the bible got lucky rather than any kinda coherent point. And if the ancient greeks figured this stuff out, what&#8217;s to say it wasn&#8217;t common knowledge in the roman empire, who were pretty smart guys? (I mean, they invented central heating. Cmon. That&#8217;s good.) </p>
<p>Your arguement also neglects to mention that the bible is also seriously WRONG on a lot of things. Jehovas witnesses, blood transfusions, stoning gays to death (When homosexuality isn&#8217;t a choice), etc</p>
<p>Discuss<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Yahweh's Toaster AM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yahweh's Toaster AM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not this again!!!
You&#039;re forgetting the verses that state the earth sits on pillars.  You&#039;re forgetting India, who already had the idea of atoms in the 6th century B.C.E. and the folks before them.  You&#039;re forgetting people who live on volcanic islands in the middle of the ocean.  You&#039;re forgetting the majority of history where people ate stuff when they were sick, therefore pumping crap into them.  Einstein refuted the idea that the universe had a beginning; many people agreed with him.  Billions more thought it had a beginning; your Bible is not alone (Hinduism has an even better hold on this, claiming that everything came from a singularity).  Again, you&#039;re ignoring other passages that are convinced the earth is flat.  People worked in fields at night, keeping their livestock safe from predators.

Do I really need to keep going?  Making the Bible look reliable is really easy if you ignore everything else, isn&#039;t it?

A book is not scientific if it&#039;s no use without hindsight.

If the Bible was soooo advanced, why did the Church burn Giordano Bruno at the stake for suggesting the sun was a star?&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not this again!!!<br />
You&#8217;re forgetting the verses that state the earth sits on pillars.  You&#8217;re forgetting India, who already had the idea of atoms in the 6th century B.C.E. and the folks before them.  You&#8217;re forgetting people who live on volcanic islands in the middle of the ocean.  You&#8217;re forgetting the majority of history where people ate stuff when they were sick, therefore pumping crap into them.  Einstein refuted the idea that the universe had a beginning; many people agreed with him.  Billions more thought it had a beginning; your Bible is not alone (Hinduism has an even better hold on this, claiming that everything came from a singularity).  Again, you&#8217;re ignoring other passages that are convinced the earth is flat.  People worked in fields at night, keeping their livestock safe from predators.</p>
<p>Do I really need to keep going?  Making the Bible look reliable is really easy if you ignore everything else, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>A book is not scientific if it&#8217;s no use without hindsight.</p>
<p>If the Bible was soooo advanced, why did the Church burn Giordano Bruno at the stake for suggesting the sun was a star?<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Postalman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Postalman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who deserves more credit? The founders of a particular science or the bible? I personally have to give my credit to the scientists who worked long and hard to create theories.

2)Creation is made of particle, indiscernible to our eyes(atoms, molecules, electrons,.......)(Hebrews 11:3)--- Not until the 19th century was that known.

Im sorry, creation is not science, it&#039;s hypothesis.

WHY SPECIFICALLY YOUR GOD AND NO OTHER?&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who deserves more credit? The founders of a particular science or the bible? I personally have to give my credit to the scientists who worked long and hard to create theories.</p>
<p>2)Creation is made of particle, indiscernible to our eyes(atoms, molecules, electrons,&#8230;&#8230;.)(Hebrews 11:3)&#8212; Not until the 19th century was that known.</p>
<p>Im sorry, creation is not science, it&#8217;s hypothesis.</p>
<p>WHY SPECIFICALLY YOUR GOD AND NO OTHER?<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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